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02/18/2022 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:36:35 PM Start
01:38:11 PM Presentation: Department of Law: Overview
02:47:02 PM Presentation: Judiciary Overview
03:12:57 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 281 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUNDS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 282 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Presentation: Department of Law by TELECONFERENCED
John Skidmore, Deputy Attorney General,
Criminal Division and Cori Mills, Deputy Attorney
General, Civil Division
+ Presentation: Judiciary by Doug Wooliver, TELECONFERENCED
Deputy Administrative Director, Alaska Court
System
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 18, 2022                                                                                          
                         1:36 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:36:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 1:36 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Kelly Merrick, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Dan Ortiz, Vice-Chair (via teleconference)                                                                       
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Bart LeBon (via teleconference)                                                                                  
Representative Sara Rasmussen (via teleconference)                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
Representative Adam Wool                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
John Skidmore,  Deputy Attorney General,  Criminal Division,                                                                    
Department  of Law;  Cori  Mills,  Deputy Attorney  General,                                                                    
Civil  Division, Department  of Law;  Doug Wooliver,  Deputy                                                                    
Administrative Director, Alaska Court System.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Amber LeBlanc, Administrative Services Director, Department                                                                     
of Law.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 281    APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUNDS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          HB 281 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 282    APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          HB 282 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: DEPARTMENT OF LAW: OVERVIEW                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: JUDICIARY OVERVIEW                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 281                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;    making   reappropriations;    making                                                                    
     supplemental   appropriations;  making   appropriations                                                                    
     under art.  IX, sec.  17(c), Constitution of  the State                                                                    
     of  Alaska,  from  the  constitutional  budget  reserve                                                                    
     fund; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 282                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive  mental  health program;  making  capital                                                                    
     appropriations  and  supplemental  appropriations;  and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: DEPARTMENT OF LAW: OVERVIEW                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:38:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SKIDMORE,  DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL,  CRIMINAL DIVISION,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF LAW,  introduced himself  and the  PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation "Department of  Law: Department Overview" (copy                                                                    
on file).  He began  with slide 2  which indicated  that the                                                                    
Department  of  Law's (DOL)  mission  was  to provide  legal                                                                    
services to  the state government  and to  prosecute crimes.                                                                    
He  advanced  to  slide  3  which  showed  photos  of  DOL's                                                                    
management team.  He noted  that the  department had  one of                                                                    
the smallest ratios of  administrative support to department                                                                    
size.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  noted Representative Edgmon had  joined the                                                                    
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore noted  that there had been  some recent changes                                                                    
in the administrative  team. He added that  although the new                                                                    
hires were  highly qualified,  the turnover  illustrated the                                                                    
department's challenges with recruitment and retention.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:41:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore continued  to  slide 4  which  showed the  two                                                                    
requests included in  DOL's FY 23 budget.  The first request                                                                    
was for  the addition  of 19 new  positions to  the Criminal                                                                    
Division. The second request was  made by the Civil Division                                                                    
and  was  for  a  $4  million  multi-year  appropriation  to                                                                    
address statehood defense issues.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon welcomed Mr.  Skidmore to the meeting.                                                                    
He wondered how  the recruitment efforts were  going for the                                                                    
19  new  prosecutors.  He  understood   that  there  was  no                                                                    
guarantee that those positions would actually be filled.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore indicated  he would  be  discussing the  topic                                                                    
later on in  the presentation. He relayed that  eight of the                                                                    
ten prosecutor  positions had been filled  already. However,                                                                    
recruitment and retention issues remained pressing.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore moved to slide  5 which showed the department's                                                                    
estimated budget from FY 19 through  FY 23. He noted that it                                                                    
was relatively flat over the years.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore moved  to slide 6 and relayed  that the mission                                                                    
of  the  Criminal  Division was  to  seek  justice,  promote                                                                    
public  safety, and  further public  respect for  government                                                                    
through  prompt, effective,  and compassionate  prosecution.                                                                    
The division  did not prosecute federal  or municipal crimes                                                                    
or investigate criminal conduct.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick  asked for an explanation  of compassionate                                                                    
prosecution.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore responded  that compassionate prosecution meant                                                                    
acknowledging that  individuals experienced a vast  array of                                                                    
circumstances.  He noted  that  sometimes  good people  made                                                                    
mistakes,  and  sometimes  the mistakes  were  criminal.  It                                                                    
meant the  department looked at  each case  individually and                                                                    
tried  to   determine  what  was   best  for   the  involved                                                                    
individuals.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:45:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore  moved to a map  of Alaska on slide  7. The map                                                                    
showed all  nine of the  physical district  attorney offices                                                                    
across the  state and an additional  four satellite offices.                                                                    
He highlighted  that there had been  significant changes and                                                                    
turnover within the  offices listed on the  slide. He wanted                                                                    
to further illustrate the  ongoing recruitment and retention                                                                    
issues experienced by the department.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore advanced to slide  8 which showed the increment                                                                    
update for  the Criminal  Division. He explained  that eight                                                                    
of the  new prosecutor  positions had been  filled. However,                                                                    
the positions  were predominantly filled by  individuals who                                                                    
had  already  been working  in  other  positions within  the                                                                    
department,   which  left   their   old  positions   vacant.                                                                    
Individuals  elected  to  transfer   into  one  of  the  new                                                                    
positions  because there  was  a  lower caseload  associated                                                                    
with the  new positions. However, there  were six paralegals                                                                    
and  three  law office  assistants  hired  from outside  the                                                                    
department,   which  was   a   positive   step  forward   in                                                                    
recruitment and retention.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore continued to slide  9 which provided a snapshot                                                                    
of  the recruitment  and retention  numbers  within DOL.  He                                                                    
reported  that  there  were  currently  22  vacant  attorney                                                                    
positions. Due  to the significant number  of vacancies, the                                                                    
department had  begun to engage  in hiring practices  it had                                                                    
not utilized  before. The department had  extended offers to                                                                    
law students  and judicial clerks  who could not  begin work                                                                    
immediately because  they had to first  graduate from school                                                                    
or finish  their clerkship. He  explained that 11 of  the 22                                                                    
attorney   positions   were   already  filled   using   this                                                                    
methodology  and  therefore  only   the  11  positions  that                                                                    
remained  were  in  active  recruitment.  The  rest  of  the                                                                    
attorneys  currently on  staff  had to  manage the  workload                                                                    
until the new hires were able to start work.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:49:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon noted  the committee  had heard  from                                                                    
the  Department of  Public  Safety (DPS)  that  there was  a                                                                    
$20,000 bonus  available to new Alaska  State Trooper hires.                                                                    
He wondered if DOL could offer something similar.                                                                               
Mr. Skidmore  responded that the department  could not offer                                                                    
bonuses. There was a capital  appropriation in 2021 provided                                                                    
by  the legislature  which  included  an investigation  into                                                                    
recruitment and retention. He  indicated that the department                                                                    
brought  in  an outside  firm  to  evaluate recruitment  and                                                                    
retention  and the  firm identified  several  issues in  the                                                                    
department. One of the five  issues that were identified was                                                                    
pay.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon commented  that  he  had been  seeing                                                                    
great difficulty  in meeting  workforce demands  from agency                                                                    
to agency. He  thought it was a key issue  that needed to be                                                                    
addressed quickly.  He was concerned  that vacancies  in the                                                                    
state  such  as  positions  in   DOL,  the  heavy  equipment                                                                    
operator vacancies  within the Department  of Transportation                                                                    
and Public  Facilities (DOT),  and vacant  teacher positions                                                                    
would remain unfilled if the issue was not addressed.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:52:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore  indicated  the  department  had  extended  34                                                                    
offers in FY  21 for attorney positions,  and eight declined                                                                    
because the  pay was too low.  In FY 22, the  department had                                                                    
already made 26 offers. There  was a continual effort by the                                                                    
department  to  hire, but  there  were  many challenges.  He                                                                    
relayed that  DOL was experiencing the  highest vacancy rate                                                                    
it had  experienced within  the last  decade. He  noted that                                                                    
half of  the people in  filled positions had less  than five                                                                    
years of experience.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick asked  if any  analysis had  been done  on                                                                    
compensation  offered  to  state attorneys  as  compared  to                                                                    
private sector attorneys.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore  responded in  the affirmative.  The department                                                                    
found there  was around a  30 percent difference in  the pay                                                                    
offered by  the state  versus the  private sector.  The real                                                                    
problem was the difference in  pay between public sector and                                                                    
public sector.  Many attorneys  left the  state to  work for                                                                    
the United  States Attorney's Office  or for  state agencies                                                                    
in other states. He was aware that pay was an issue.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore returned to slide  9. He relayed that the right                                                                    
half  of  the  slide  showed  the  vacancies  in  the  Civil                                                                    
Division. He  highlighted that the division  had 15 attorney                                                                    
vacancies but  it was actively recruiting  for 18 attorneys.                                                                    
The  division  was  aware that  there  were  three  attorney                                                                    
positions that would be vacant  in the near future and there                                                                    
were  proactive recruitment  efforts for  the positions.  He                                                                    
passed the presentation off to Ms. Cori Mills.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:55:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CORI  MILLS,   DEPUTY  ATTORNEY  GENERAL,   CIVIL  DIVISION,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF LAW,  introduced herself  and began  on slide                                                                    
11.  She   reported  there  were  now   20  vacant  attorney                                                                    
positions that  were in recruitment  in the  Civil Division,                                                                    
meaning there  were five attorneys  leaving within  the next                                                                    
three months. She noted that  attorneys were being recruited                                                                    
for across all divisions  within the department. Since 2018,                                                                    
the Civil Division  had 19 percent of  its attorneys retire,                                                                    
10 percent  had moved out  of state, 10  percent transferred                                                                    
to  another agency,  10 percent  transferred to  the private                                                                    
sector, and another 10 percent transferred to federal jobs.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills continued to slide  10 to review the core services                                                                    
of the division. The core services were as follows:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   Protecting Alaskans' safety and financial well-being                                                                       
       Fostering conditions for responsible development of                                                                    
        our natural resources                                                                                                   
       Protecting the fiscal integrity of the State, and                                                                      
       Promoting good governance                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:58:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz  asked if DOL  was larger than it  had been                                                                    
10 years ago or if growth had been relatively flat.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills responded that the  Civil Division had experienced                                                                    
a  36  percent  budget   reduction  since  about  2014.  The                                                                    
division  had never  needed to  let  people go,  but it  had                                                                    
historically  refrained   from  filling  positions   due  to                                                                    
attrition.  The  division  had   fewer  attorneys,  but  the                                                                    
workload  was  the  same  as   it  had  been  prior  to  the                                                                    
reductions.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore  had not looked  at the most  recent population                                                                    
statistics  but  suspected  that   there  was  a  population                                                                    
increase in  the last  decade. He  explained that  there had                                                                    
been a  similar downsizing effort in  the Criminal Division.                                                                    
The  division had  increased its  resources within  the last                                                                    
few years, but the workload was  larger than it was 10 years                                                                    
ago.                                                                                                                            
2:00:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills moved to slide  11. The slide showed the breakdown                                                                    
of  the  areas  of  focus  of  attorneys  within  the  Civil                                                                    
Division.  An  example  of  a   focus  area  was  protecting                                                                    
Alaskans,  which  involved   occupational  licensing,  human                                                                    
services,  and  child  protection.  The division  was  in  a                                                                    
rebuild mode  in all of  its sections. The  largest workload                                                                    
was   child  protection   appeals,  which   had  only   been                                                                    
increasing  over  the  years.  In  2021,  there  was  slight                                                                    
decrease because  children had  less contact  with mandatory                                                                    
reporters, but she expected the number to go up again.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  added that promoting good  governance was another                                                                    
area  of focus,  which involved  advising the  governor. The                                                                    
area  of focus  also  included items  like  labor and  state                                                                    
affairs,  information   and  project  support,   and  public                                                                    
corporations and government services.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  relayed   that  the  last  area   of  focus  was                                                                    
protecting   fiscal   integrity   and   fostering   economic                                                                    
development, which included natural  resources, oil and gas,                                                                    
environmental  efforts, and  workers'  compensation. One  of                                                                    
the duties of attorneys in  the environmental section was to                                                                    
advise the  Department of Environmental  Conservation (DEC).                                                                    
She explained that  workers' compensation attorneys defended                                                                    
the state in workers' compensation cases.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:05:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson   asked  about  the   scarcity  of                                                                    
assistant attorney  generals in  the state  and the  need to                                                                    
contract within the workers' compensation section.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills indicated  that  the division  had  never had  to                                                                    
procure   outside   counsel    to   assist   with   workers'                                                                    
compensation  duties  before.  However, there  were  so  few                                                                    
workers'  compensation attorneys  and there  were about  270                                                                    
cases,  so  the division  had  to  procure outside  help  to                                                                    
complete  the workload.  She was  happy to  report that  one                                                                    
attorney   had  recently   been  hired   for  the   workers'                                                                    
compensation  work and  there  was  one additional  position                                                                    
left to fill.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  moved to slide  12 and explained she  divided the                                                                    
Civil  Division's budget  into three  "buckets" to  show the                                                                    
various  areas  of  appropriation. The  three  buckets  were                                                                    
child  protection, good  governance,  and statehood  rights.                                                                    
The   division's   increment   request  was   a   multi-year                                                                    
appropriation   and  fell   within   the  statehood   rights                                                                    
category. In 2021, the legislature  provided $4 million in a                                                                    
multi-year appropriation for FY 22 through FY 25.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills   advanced  to  slide  13   which  explained  the                                                                    
appropriation  in detail.  She  explained that  it would  be                                                                    
used by the division for  litigation relating to the defense                                                                    
of  rights  to  develop  and  protect  the  state's  natural                                                                    
resources, to access  land, to manage its  fish and wildlife                                                                    
resources, and  to protect  state sovereignty.  The division                                                                    
thought the $4  million was a good start,  but after looking                                                                    
at the details  she determined that $4  million was unlikely                                                                    
to be sufficient. She suggested  another $4 million would be                                                                    
necessary to  address the  substantial workload  that seemed                                                                    
to be  incoming to the  division. Generally, it took  two to                                                                    
four years to complete litigation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:09:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  commented that statehood defense  was not a                                                                    
new issue, but that the  line item for statehood defense and                                                                    
the appropriation  for it  in the budget  was new.  He asked                                                                    
where the funds came from in prior years.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills responded that the  funds usually came through the                                                                    
natural  resources line  item.  The requested  appropriation                                                                    
for statehood defense in particular  was intended to get the                                                                    
division over a "hump."   The department was not planning on                                                                    
increasing  its  personnel,  but rather  trying  to  utilize                                                                    
outside counsel and get through  the increased workload that                                                                    
had compounded  over time. Litigation  was being  layered on                                                                    
top of  litigation but there  was never a  final resolution.                                                                    
The hope was to use  the appropriation to reach a resolution                                                                    
and  receive clarity  from the  courts. It  would allow  the                                                                    
division to start  over with a blank slate  and manage tasks                                                                    
internally rather than seeking outside counsel.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:10:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson    understood   that    the   DOL                                                                    
subcommittee  had  learned  that  only $260,000  of  the  $4                                                                    
million multi-year appropriation had been spent.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  responded   that  Representative  Josephson  was                                                                    
correct.  To  date,  about  $267,000  had  been  spent.  She                                                                    
anticipated  that the  amount would  increase  to around  $1                                                                    
million or more  by the end of 2022. She  mentioned that the                                                                    
department  had just  begun litigation  and the  cases would                                                                    
compound as  time went on.  She relayed that DOL  released a                                                                    
federal laws  and litigation report  every year.  There were                                                                    
35 litigation  matters reported in  2021, and there  were 47                                                                    
matters  so far  in 2022.  Cases that  had been  ongoing for                                                                    
years  were  still  not  closed and  there  were  new  cases                                                                    
arising.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills turned  to slide  14 to  review the  department's                                                                    
general  strategy. She  reiterated  that  DOL saw  statehood                                                                    
defense as  its core purpose, which  involved protecting oil                                                                    
and gas  revenues and  the Permanent Fund.  When it  came to                                                                    
national  issues,  she  thought  the best  strategy  was  to                                                                    
partner with  other states that experienced  the same issues                                                                    
as  Alaska.  Another  option   was  outsourcing,  which  the                                                                    
department  employed  when  there  was a  case  specific  to                                                                    
Alaska, but  the department  did not  have the  resources to                                                                    
properly address it. There were  issues that impacted Alaska                                                                    
in a  unique way, such  as the Clean  Water Act, and  it was                                                                    
important for the state to  have its own resources to ensure                                                                    
that the state's interests were represented.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:14:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  continued to slide  15 to discuss how  the multi-                                                                    
year appropriation funding was  being used. She relayed that                                                                    
there were  certain historical sources of  funding under the                                                                    
natural resources  line item in  the budget and  the funding                                                                    
sources would  continue to be utilized.  However, there were                                                                    
additional cases  for which  the state  did not  have enough                                                                    
resources, which  were intended to  be funded by  the multi-                                                                    
year appropriation. She  noted that two of  the cases funded                                                                    
by  the multi-year  appropriation funding  were also  multi-                                                                    
state  cases  and would  not  be  huge cost-drivers  because                                                                    
Alaska  would  not  be  bearing all  of  the  costs  itself.                                                                    
However,  the  Fortymile  Rivers Quiet  Title  Actions  case                                                                    
alone had  absorbed $200,000 of  the $267,000 that  had been                                                                    
spent thus far  and she anticipated the number  to double by                                                                    
the end of 2022.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  explained  there  were   also  cases  that  were                                                                    
secondarily  funded by  the multi-year  appropriation. There                                                                    
was an existing funding source  for the cases, but there was                                                                    
uncertainty  that the  existing  funding  within the  annual                                                                    
appropriations  would  be  sufficient.  The  department  had                                                                    
contracted  with  two  outside  counsel  firms  to  delegate                                                                    
overflow work for the natural resources cases.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:17:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills continued to slide 16  to go over the matters that                                                                    
were  actively being  monitored. She  noted that  an outside                                                                    
firm  was  employed  to manage  the  federally  contaminated                                                                    
sites case.  She explained that the  sites were contaminated                                                                    
when they were under federal  ownership, then the sites were                                                                    
transferred  to Native  Corporations  and  the Alaska  state                                                                    
government  and the  sites had  still not  been cleaned  up.                                                                    
There  was some  anticipated  action in  the  area that  was                                                                    
being directed by DEC and could lead to litigation.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz  asked what the  primary source  of funding                                                                    
would  be   for  cases  secondarily  funded   by  multi-year                                                                    
appropriation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills responded  that there  was  an allocation  within                                                                    
DOL's budget  for natural resources, which  covered a myriad                                                                    
of items.  Some of the  allocated money  could be used  as a                                                                    
primary  fund source.  Additionally,  it  was possible  that                                                                    
another department  would be  contributing a  certain amount                                                                    
for  work  that the  attorneys  or  outside counsel  did  in                                                                    
certain  areas.   She  clarified  that  when   an  item  was                                                                    
secondarily  funded,  it  simply  meant  that  DOL  was  not                                                                    
turning to the multi-year  appropriation first. Instead, DOL                                                                    
was trying  to use its  existing sources of money  to ensure                                                                    
that multi-year appropriation funds  were only utilized when                                                                    
absolutely  necessary.  She  added   that  there  were  many                                                                    
sources of possible primary funding,  such as money received                                                                    
to protect royalties.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  asked for  more  detail  about the  money                                                                    
received to protect royalties.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  replied  that the  department  received  certain                                                                    
Permanent Fund receipts  to protect or take  action on items                                                                    
relating   to   royalties.   The  most   common   item   was                                                                    
disagreements on oil and gas royalties.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz  asked if it  would be correct to  say that                                                                    
the   sources  of   funding  ultimately   came  from   state                                                                    
resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills responded that Vice-Chair Ortiz was correct.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz asked how much  the total available funding                                                                    
resources in a given year increased from year to year.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills did  not have  the figures  in front  of her  and                                                                    
deferred the question to Ms. Amber LeBlanc.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:23:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AMBER LEBLANC, ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF  LAW  (via  teleconference),  would  provide  a  detailed                                                                    
response to the committee in a follow-up email.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon asked  if the  state had  a litigation                                                                    
partnership  with  the Voice  of  the  Arctic I?upiat  (VAI)                                                                    
organization. He thought  a $1 million grant  was offered to                                                                    
the organization.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills only  knew  about the  appropriation through  the                                                                    
news. She reported  that DOL had no connection  with VAI and                                                                    
was not working with the organization.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon   asked  if  the  department   had  an                                                                    
available  report  that summarized  litigation  partnerships                                                                    
and  active cases.  He would  appreciate  any materials  the                                                                    
department could provide.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson    thought   there    were   some                                                                    
contentious   matters  being   funded   by  the   multi-year                                                                    
appropriation. He thought that  about 60 percent of Alaskans                                                                    
opposed  the Pebble  Mine. He  also thought  the use  of the                                                                    
Tongass  National Forest  might have  been supported  in the                                                                    
1990s, but  that Southeast Alaska viewed  itself differently                                                                    
than  it did  years  ago. He  understood  that the  attorney                                                                    
general's office  was a  unique office  to the  governor and                                                                    
understood that  it was  vital. He  wondered what  Ms. Mills                                                                    
would think  about the legislature  saying that some  of the                                                                    
cases were not supported by the majority of Alaskans.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  responded that the  legislature had the  power of                                                                    
appropriation. She reported that most  of the cases had been                                                                    
in existence for  years and that a new  administration and a                                                                    
new  legislature had  not  changed  longstanding cases.  She                                                                    
argued that when it came  to state's rights, state land, and                                                                    
state management,  Alaska knew better. She  also pointed out                                                                    
that the  cases were not  about personal opinion,  but about                                                                    
who  should  be  responsible  for the  management  of  state                                                                    
resources. The legislature also  had an obligation to adhere                                                                    
to Article  8 of the constitution  regarding sustained yield                                                                    
principles  and  responsible  resource development  for  the                                                                    
maximum  benefit  of  the  people. She  thought  it  was  an                                                                    
element   that  should   be  considered   when  looking   at                                                                    
appropriations.  She  thought  the   cases  were  about  the                                                                    
management  struggle and  ensuring that  the state  remained                                                                    
economically prosperous.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:30:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  continued to  review  slide  16 which  reflected                                                                    
matters  already  in  litigation. She  reiterated  that  the                                                                    
multi-year appropriation would only  cover a fraction of the                                                                    
cases. The matters that were  being monitored were projected                                                                    
to come  to fruition in the  next few years and  add for the                                                                    
need  for  additional resources.  The  state  was trying  to                                                                    
encourage  the federal  government to  clean up  all of  the                                                                    
contaminated  sites  that  had  been  transferred  from  the                                                                    
federal government to Native Corporations  and to the state.                                                                    
She  relayed  that  the contaminated  site  transfer  was  a                                                                    
matter that was  actively being monitored. An  example of an                                                                    
actively monitored case was the  revised statute (RS) 2477s,                                                                    
which were public access  rights-of-ways. She explained that                                                                    
it was an evidence heavy matter and time intensive.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  had a  question  about  the RS  2477s.  He                                                                    
explained that there  was public access north of  Nome up to                                                                    
Taylor, but  in order to  get to the popular  Serpentine Hot                                                                    
Springs, people  had to  drive through  a national  park for                                                                    
six  miles.  However,  there  was already  a  trail  in  the                                                                    
location, and  he thought  it could be  considered for  a RS                                                                    
2477.  He had  asked this  question several  times over  the                                                                    
years, and  the answer  had always been  that categorization                                                                    
was on a case-to-case basis. He  wished there would be a day                                                                    
where  the federal  government  recognized  that all  trails                                                                    
could be accessible  by the public as long  as people stayed                                                                    
on the  trails. He understood the  matter was evidence-based                                                                    
but thought the  fact that the trails could be  seen from an                                                                    
aircraft seemed like good evidence  that the trails existed.                                                                    
He  asked if  she  would agree  that the  matter  had to  be                                                                    
considered on a case-to-case basis.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills responded  that unfortunately  it was  a case-to-                                                                    
case  basis. She  understood that  the  trails were  visible                                                                    
today but wondered if the  trails were visible in the 1930s.                                                                    
It  was difficult  to  show the  scope and  the  use of  the                                                                    
trails. The  state needed to  set a precedent but  could not                                                                    
get  the  federal government  to  discuss  it properly.  She                                                                    
noted that  the state was  in the final litigation  stage in                                                                    
the Chicken Trail  RS 2477 and a settlement was  about to be                                                                    
reached.  She  assured  the committee  that  the  state  was                                                                    
trying to find the best way to set a precedent.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster wondered  if anything  prior to  the Alaska                                                                    
Native  Claims Settlement  Act (ANCSA)  included information                                                                    
about  the  trails. He  wondered  if  something like  United                                                                    
States Geological Survey (USGS)  maps would suffice as proof                                                                    
of  the trails.  He commented  that he  and Ms.  Mills could                                                                    
talk privately about the matter.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills thought  it was a complicated matter  and would be                                                                    
happy to have  a conversation about it  with Co-Chair Foster                                                                    
outside of the meeting.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:38:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson asked  if another difficult element                                                                    
was that  sometimes the cases pitted  Alaskans against other                                                                    
Alaskans. He  offered the Klutina  Lake case as  an example.                                                                    
Sometimes  the  vigorous  assertion  of  a  RS  2477  caused                                                                    
internal conflicts.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  replied that  case law  surrounding RS  2477s was                                                                    
not simply a federal government  and state issue. There were                                                                    
some  cases that  the state  entered into  as a  third party                                                                    
after two private parties had  begun the case. She noted the                                                                    
Iditarod trail  was an example  of a  successful litigation.                                                                    
The Klutina Lake  case was currently in front  of the United                                                                    
States Supreme Court under reconsideration.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick asked  how often  statehood defense  cases                                                                    
were successful.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills responded  that the cases were not  tracked in the                                                                    
database in  that way and  it was difficult to  analyze. She                                                                    
indicated the  department had been making  positive progress                                                                    
in its  active cases. The  state and the  federal government                                                                    
were not always at odds and  in some of the cases, the state                                                                    
was  defending the  federal government.  Success was  highly                                                                    
dependent upon the case.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills advanced  to slide  17 which  showed the  typical                                                                    
cost  of cases  if  internal counsel  was  utilized. If  the                                                                    
state  used  outside  counsel,  the  costs  would  typically                                                                    
double. She  compared existing sources  of funding  with the                                                                    
anticipated costs and arrived at the request of $8 million.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:44:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  asked  if  the  department  had  done  an                                                                    
analysis on  the viability  of winning  a case.  He wondered                                                                    
how  much  consideration  was given  to  the  likelihood  of                                                                    
winning.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills responded that the  attorneys advised and gave the                                                                    
best  and  most  candid  advice  possible  to  the  clients.                                                                    
However, it  was important  to consider  at which  level the                                                                    
state  could succeed.  The state  might  win a  case at  the                                                                    
district court level,  win on an appeal, or win  at the U.S.                                                                    
Supreme Court.  The state might  lose at every  level except                                                                    
for the  U.S. Supreme  Court, and it  was important  to take                                                                    
each level into account. There  were other cases where vital                                                                    
state's rights  were threatened, and  even if the  state did                                                                    
not  win, litigation  might slow  the process  or cause  the                                                                    
perpetrator to think twice about taking additional action.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster thanked the presenters.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation: Judiciary Overview                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:47:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOUG WOOLIVER, DEPUTY  ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTOR, ALASKA COURT                                                                    
SYSTEM,  introduced  the   PowerPoint  presentation  "Alaska                                                                    
Court  System  Overview" (copy  on  file)  and reviewed  the                                                                    
mission of the  department beginning on slide  2. The Alaska                                                                    
Court System (ACS) intended  to integrally and expeditiously                                                                    
resolve cases in accordance with the law.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver  advanced to  slide 3  and reported  that there                                                                    
were  a couple  of  things  that set  ACS  apart from  other                                                                    
courts. For example,  ACS was unified because  there were no                                                                    
county  courts or  municipal courts  in Alaska.  He remarked                                                                    
that unification made  it easier for the  legislature to set                                                                    
state  policies and  made it  easier for  individuals within                                                                    
the judicial system to work together.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver turned  to slide 4 to discuss  the factors that                                                                    
impacted the  workloads of the  courts, such  as population,                                                                    
police,  economy,  and  statutory  changes.  Some  statutory                                                                    
changes  had a  small impact  and  others had  a large  one.                                                                    
There  were also  other  unpredictable  factors to  consider                                                                    
such as the COVID-19 pandemic.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver advanced to slide  5 and indicated that most of                                                                    
the court system was comprised  of clerical staff. The slide                                                                    
showed  the  composition  of the  766  authorized  positions                                                                    
within ACS.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver  continued to  slide 6, which  showed a  map of                                                                    
the locations  of the courts  in the  state in FY  22. There                                                                    
were four  judicial districts in  Alaska, but the  number of                                                                    
employees  within  each  district varied  dramatically.  The                                                                    
second judicial district encompassing  the northern parts of                                                                    
the  state  had  34  employees   while  the  third  judicial                                                                    
district   encompassing  Anchorage,   the  Matanuska-Susitna                                                                    
Valley, and the surrounding areas had almost 400.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick asked  what  determined  which district  a                                                                    
case would be tried.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver responded the location of the crime.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver  turned to slide 7  that showed a pie  chart of                                                                    
all the sources of funding for the department.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:52:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver turned to slide  8 which reviewed the number of                                                                    
Alaskans  served in  2021. He  relayed that  the slide  came                                                                    
about  years  ago to  better  report  how many  people  were                                                                    
impacted by  ACS in  a single year.  There were  102,237 new                                                                    
cases filed in 2021 and 1.7 million CourtView searches.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver noted  the impacts of the pandemic  on slide 9.                                                                    
He relayed that ACS had  taken steps to implement new safety                                                                    
protocols for the public and  for employees and that ACS had                                                                    
always relied  on technology more  than other  courts around                                                                    
the country. Many courts in  the country still did not allow                                                                    
telephonic  testimony, while  Alaska's courts  would not  be                                                                    
able to operate without  telephonic testimony. He emphasized                                                                    
that ACS never closed due  to the pandemic and never stopped                                                                    
conducting emergency  and essential proceedings.  He relayed                                                                    
that  jurors had  been selected  through Microsoft  Zoom and                                                                    
deliberations had taken place remotely.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wooliver moved  to slide  10 and  indicated that  court                                                                    
case filings  in the state were  down from FY 20  across the                                                                    
board. He advanced  to slide 11 and reported that  FY 21 was                                                                    
the first year  in a number of years where  there had been a                                                                    
slight decrease in  felonies. He noted that  slide 12 showed                                                                    
that the same was true for misdemeanor case filings.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver spoke about the  fiscal impacts of the pandemic                                                                    
as outlined  on slide 13.  He explained that jury  costs for                                                                    
FY  22 were  about  $1  million less  than  costs  in FY  17                                                                    
through FY  19. The court  had received funding  through the                                                                    
Coronavirus Aid,  Relief, and Economic Security  (CARES) Act                                                                    
to  purchase  technology   equipment  needed  to  facilitate                                                                    
remote  hearings.  The  court was  applying  for  additional                                                                    
funding  through  the  Federal Emergency  Management  Agency                                                                    
(FEMA)to reimburse  past expenses  related to  the pandemic.                                                                    
He hoped the funding would amount to around $500,000.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:57:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wooliver continued  to slide  14 and  reported ACS  was                                                                    
continuing  to  resolve  cases and  conduct  trials  through                                                                    
Zoom.  There had  been  27 criminal  jury  trials and  three                                                                    
civil trials since  the beginning of 2022.  The court system                                                                    
had  used  expanded  teleconference hearings  as  well,  and                                                                    
while  it  had  incurred  increased costs,  it  had  allowed                                                                    
proceedings    to    continue.   Additionally,    ACS    was                                                                    
livestreaming  jury  trials   which  allowed  for  increased                                                                    
public access.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick  asked if any regulatory  changes were made                                                                    
to allow for trials to be conducted via Zoom.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wooliver  replied  in  the   negative.  The  court  was                                                                    
permitted  to  conduct  remote  trials  under  the  existing                                                                    
rules.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver continued to slide  15 and relayed that ACS was                                                                    
resuming   in-person  trials,   however   it   had  been   a                                                                    
challenging task. He indicated there  had been high rates of                                                                    
unplanned  leave  due  to  COVID-19,  staff  vacancies,  and                                                                    
turnover.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  asked Mr.  Wooliver to comment  on the                                                                    
outcome of the 2020 cyber-attack that targeted ACS.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver indicated that the  attack had a huge impact on                                                                    
the court for  a short period of time. He  was grateful that                                                                    
the  hackers  were  caught quickly,  otherwise  the  impacts                                                                    
could have  been long-term. The  court was able  to purchase                                                                    
more advanced  security software  and he thought  the system                                                                    
was robust,  however software updates were  never-ending and                                                                    
expensive.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  was glad to hear  the system withstood                                                                    
the attack  and that the  court was prepared for  any future                                                                    
attacks.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:04:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver  moved to  slide 16  which showed  the proposed                                                                    
operating  budget increment  requests  for ACS.  One of  the                                                                    
requests was  for $150,000 for evidence  management software                                                                    
to ease the process without  sacrificing privacy or posing a                                                                    
security  risk.  The  largest   increment  request  of  $1.1                                                                    
million  was for  funding to  cover  increasing the  working                                                                    
hours of ACS staff. About  half of the court's workforce was                                                                    
returning  to  a full  37.5  hour  workweek to  address  the                                                                    
backlog of  cases that had  built up over the  pandemic. The                                                                    
court  was  also  asking  for   more  funding  for  software                                                                    
subscriptions  and  maintenance. Other  increments  included                                                                    
facilities, operating and  maintenance costs, and janitorial                                                                    
and security costs. The $789,500  decrease shown on the side                                                                    
was ACS's  share of the Public  Employees' Retirement System                                                                    
(PERS) savings.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver  moved to the supplemental  request for offsite                                                                    
trails on slide  17. He relayed that  a supplemental request                                                                    
was  not   common  for  the   court  system  and   that  the                                                                    
supplemental request would  be amended in the  fall of 2022.                                                                    
The  idea  was  that  there  were  some  offsite  trials  in                                                                    
locations  where the  courtrooms  were not  large enough  to                                                                    
offer  social distancing.  He relayed  that ACS  was working                                                                    
with  the Legislative  Finance Division  and  the Office  of                                                                    
Management and Budget  to ensure that the  request for funds                                                                    
for  offsite  trials  was a  multi-year  appropriation.  The                                                                    
money would  simply lapse if  there were not  enough offsite                                                                    
trials.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:08:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson asked when  Mr. Wooliver would know                                                                    
if the multi-year appropriation was approved.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver  had never done  a supplemental before.  He was                                                                    
unsure  when  the  supplemental   budget  request  would  be                                                                    
amended, but he knew it would be amended at some point.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson   had   heard  there   had   been                                                                    
significant  turnover. He  asked  Mr.  Wooliver to  describe                                                                    
what the turnover was like in ACS.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wooliver   agreed  that  there  had   been  significant                                                                    
turnover as well as  difficulty retaining current employees.                                                                    
Many positions  were not vacant,  but the employees  were on                                                                    
leave  due  to COVID-19  related  issues  or childcare.  The                                                                    
court  system had  implemented some  incentive programs  and                                                                    
had  expanded   its  recruitment  efforts  to   address  the                                                                    
difficulties in recruitment and  retention. He reported that                                                                    
a couple  of judicial assistants  had recently left  ACS for                                                                    
the private  sector because  the pay  in the  private sector                                                                    
was substantially  higher than wages  paid by the  state. In                                                                    
FY  19, ACS  had 35  vacancies and  there were  currently 62                                                                    
vacancies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson asked if ACS  had to go through the                                                                    
Department of  Administration when implementing  pay raises.                                                                    
He thought ACS determined pay  by looking at trends in other                                                                    
departments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wooliver replied  that the  pay for  ACS employees  was                                                                    
statutorily  required to  be similar  to  pay for  employees                                                                    
with similar  duties and  job descriptions.  The legislature                                                                    
had generally  allowed for the  same pay raises and  cost of                                                                    
living adjustments to be given  to non-covered ACS employees                                                                    
who  did  not  participate   in  the  collective  bargaining                                                                    
agreement offered to covered employees.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick thanked  the presenters  and reviewed  the                                                                    
agenda for the following meeting.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:12:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:12 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
LAW FY23 HFIN Department Overview_Final 021822.pdf HFIN 2/18/2022 1:30:00 PM
FY 23 JUD-Court Overview HFIN Feb 18.pdf HFIN 2/18/2022 1:30:00 PM